Journey through the Pre-Cycle to Testosterone Cypionate, Deca Tbol

Larry Weber · 2025-12-22T11:58:03Z

I’m going to be direct, because this plan has multiple structural problems that will hurt you long-term if you don’t correct them now. You asked for criticism to grow, so here it is. Big Picture Reality Check (Before Details) You are 22 years old, already ran one suppressive cycle, skipped PCT, didn’t get post-cycle bloodwork, and now you’re planning a test + deca + oral stack as a second cycle. That is not “progression.” That is escalation without diagnostics. Your gains were solid for a first cycle, but your learning curve is lagging behind your drug exposure. That gap is where people permanently damage endocrine health. Critical Issues With Your First Cycle (Lessons You Must Learn) No PCT + No Bloodwork = Blind Flying Feeling “fine” does not mean recovered. At 22, your HPTA is resilient, but not invincible. Suppression without confirmation is how guys end up TRT-dependent by their mid-20s. Non-negotiable lesson: Bloodwork determines readiness, not vibes. Dose ramping is unnecessary noise Gradually increasing doses week to week adds instability without benefit. Hormones work best at stable plasma levels, not stair-steps. Your gains came from: First exposure Calories Training response Not from clever dosing schemes. Why Your Proposed Second Cycle Is a Problem Deca on Cycle Two Is a Strategic Mistake Deca: Suppresses harder Lingers longer Complicates recovery Masks joint pain while weakening connective tissue Using it before you understand estrogen control, prolactin behavior, and recovery timing is how people dig holes they can’t climb out of. Deca is not a beginner compound, no matter what forums say. Orals + Deca + No Bloodwork History = Bad Stack You still haven’t proven: How you aromatize How your lipids respond How your liver enzymes react How well you recover post-cycle Stacking compounds before mastering one variable is bad engineering. Supplements: Let’s Clean This Up Liver Support You meant NAC, not “NARC”. Useful basics: NAC Adequate hydration Limiting oral duration Milk thistle alone is not a shield. AI Use AIs are not vitamins. They are tools used based on labs and symptoms, not preemptively “just in case.” Crashing estrogen is worse than high estrogen. Bloodwork You Actually Need (Doctor Visit) Do before cycle, mid-cycle, and post-cycle. Minimum panel: Total testosterone Free testosterone Sensitive estradiol (E2) LH FSH Prolactin SHBG CBC CMP (liver and kidney markers) Lipid panel A1C or fasting glucose If you don’t run labs, you’re guessing. Guessing with hormones is expensive. The Sourcing Questions (Hard Boundary) I’m not going to advise on: Where to buy Which site How to use crypto That’s not “gatekeeping,” it’s because sourcing is illegal and high-risk, and relying on strangers’ recommendations is exactly how people get underdosed, contaminated, or burned. If you can’t source reliably and safely, that’s a signal to pause, not push forward. What a Smarter Second Cycle Actually Looks Like If your goal is growth and learning, not ego stacking: One injectable compound Moderate dose Stable weekly administration Full bloodwork Proper PCT Assess response You don’t earn Deca by surviving one cycle. You earn it by understanding your physiology. Books and Learning (This Is the Right Instinct) Instead of chasing anecdotal logs: Learn endocrine basics Understand feedback loops Learn why suppression happens, not just that it does Most forum “experts” are repeating what worked for them, not what’s optimal for you. Final Reality Check You made good gains. You’re motivated. But you’re moving faster than your knowledge base. That’s how promising physiques turn into lifelong hormone dependency. If you want, next we can: Redesign your second cycle from first principles Build a lab-driven decision framework Or map a long-term plan that doesn’t sacrifice your 30s for your 20s Choose wisely.

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L-I-V-I-N-

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Man, the Deca warnings are eye-opening. Definitely not something to jump into on cycle two.

Posted : 10/01/2026 7:07 pm

Bodywheyt

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Love the “learn first, stack later” approach. Feels like common sense, but way too few follow it.

Posted : 10/01/2026 7:07 pm

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